台積電為2奈米GAA加裝雙保險 新增2.5奈 - 股票
By Megan
at 2020-12-02T12:49
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坦白說,台積電近年來在晶圓代工表現確實不錯
除了獲利不斷創新高外,也帶動台股上漲,但以我科技業待超過15的經驗來說
晶圓代工的技術成份其實沒有想像中那麼高,晶圓代工新製程的開發流程就是:
IC廠設計x奈米製程(Step1) -> 晶圓代工找設備商開製程規格(Step2)
-> 找生產過程中的bug(Step3)-> 確定新製程可投產後再來提升良率(Step4)
其中,比較花費時間的是在Step3 & Step4, 但就真的只是花時間,
因為在這2個過程中,你必須要不斷的嘗試不同的驗證組合來取得一個最佳值
比如說:
投片良率只有70%? 那就開始試驗把蝕刻的速度從原先的100%,每次遞減1%
去找到一個最佳結果,講白一點,就是需要人力跟時間不斷的repeat這些參數
驗證罷了,要真說到技術成份,真正的技術還是掌握在設備商手裡
台積電就只是個有錢且擁有高勞力密集,可以加快上述這類不需要太多的技術
能力僅需要大量的時間跟人力的公司罷了,真的不要被什麼護國神山捧到忘我
台灣真正需要經驗跟技術的科技產業,反而是在系統廠,系統廠雖然獲利能力
不如晶圓代工,但那是因為多廠競爭的結果,以技術能力來說,系統廠所需學會
的技術能力是遠遠超過於晶圓代工的,同樣的一個RD工程師來說:
晶圓代工廠RD: 通常只需研究某段製程甚至某台設備的參數就可以了,然後研究的
內容就是上述所提的那些不太需要技術能力的重覆驗證
系統廠RD:以一個NB系統廠的RD來說,他需要K所有會用到IC的spec, 要懂layout
還要了解AC/DC,甚至連BIOS相容性也要會一些,然後要有辦法把這些東西結合
在一台NB裡,並保證運行完全正常,所需學會甚至鑽研的技術可以說是包山包海
而上述每一項技能都是難學難精的,並不是單純調參數去找最佳結果那樣簡單的工作
所以台灣其實真正要顧好的技術產業應該是在系統廠,只要系統廠強,就能確保技術
人才不斷,對於台灣整體的科技業來說才能細水長流且持續保有競爭力
若台灣人又犯了目光淺短,只因為台積電目前市佔跟獲利領先,就把所有技術人才跟資源
重心都往台積電放的話,那麼台灣的未來會非常危險
以上分享
※ 引述《NaMgAl (那美女)》之銘言:
: 1.原文連結:
: https://reurl.cc/q8Ra5g
: 2.原文內容:
: 台積電為2奈米GAA加裝雙保險 新增2.5奈米製程
: 三星電子(Samsung Electronics)信心滿滿,2022年將進入首度採用GAA架構的3奈米世代
: ,屆時將力奪先進製程技術龍頭,然據半導體設備業者透露,台積電大客戶訂單在握,未
: 來將不急不徐掌握5奈米以下製程推進節律。
: 據了解,為了替首度採用GAA架構的2奈米爭取更多時間部署,台積電計劃拉升3奈米製程
: 產能目標並拉長停留時程,同時延續5/7奈米家族設計,暫定會在2023年推出2.5奈米(或
: 稱3+)製程,首發客戶仍會是最大客戶蘋果。
: 台積電繼力奪7奈米與7奈米EUV製程技術首勝後,與三星的對決現已來到5奈米,台積電於
: 2020年第2季量產,而三星則是近期才發表首款5奈米Exynos 1080處理器,已獲中國Vivo
: 採用,自家與高通5奈米旗艦處理器則年底登場。
: 雖然晚了半年,三星信心依舊爆棚,不僅對外宣告4奈米計畫未取消,目前已完成4奈米第
: 一代的行動產品設計,還有2022年將進入3奈米世代,屆時將超車台積電,力奪先進製程
: 技術龍頭。
: 對此,半導體設備業者表示,三星製程技術推進顯得有些倉促慌亂,7奈米EUV製程悄無聲
: 息就帶過,近月來最熱消息雖是拿下NVIDIA最新RTX 30系列大單,但僅採8奈米製程,且
: 上市迄今供貨短缺,市場多揣測與良率有關。
: 而即將全面放量的三星5奈米製程之所以能獲大客戶高通(Qualcomm)青睞,市場也認為主
: 要是價格夠犀利,以及雙方在手機上有所策略合作。
: 當中值得關注的是,5奈米投資金額龐大,三星至少也要多找幾個大客戶與大單,2、3年
: 才能勉強回本,但除了高通,還看不到訂單量夠大的晶片大廠下單。相較之下,台積電除
: 了囊括蘋果等大部分晶片大廠訂單外,近年積極投入自研晶片的大廠如Tesla、Google等
: 也都轉與台積電合作。
: 不僅如此,三星5奈米投資黑洞都還沒關上,又宣布首度採用GAA架構的3奈米將於2022年
: 正式量產,且期間還會有原本盛傳已腰斬的4奈米製程將上陣,整體製程推進藍圖令業界
: 難以理解。
: 對比之下,半導體設備業者表示,台積電先進製程推進或是近年全面擴產決定,多已確認
: 大客戶訂單與回收期估算,7奈米世代雖然投資金額高昂,但台積電幾乎拿下所有晶片廠
: 大單,因此推升業績飆上新高。2020年進入5奈米世代,當然至少要確定訂單能見度直達
: 2021年底。
: 目前南科Fab 18廠第四期至第六期3奈米產線已動工,預計2021年進入風險性試產,2021
: 年下半單月約有3萬~3.5萬片出貨量,2022年第2季量產後,全年如台積電所公布當年產能
: 預估將超過每年60萬片12吋晶圓,也就是單月約5.5萬片。
: 半導體設備業者進一步透露。台積電3奈米在單月產能2023年衝上10.5萬片,技術難度、
: 生產成本更高,客戶投片費用再飆升,但產能目標與5奈米相近。此外,台積電已計劃延
: 續5/7奈米家族設計,暫定會在2023年下半推出2.5奈米(或稱3+)製程,單月產能初步規劃
: 會有4萬~4.2萬片。
: 台積電擴大3奈米產能,拉長製程停留時間,且再增推2.5奈米製程,主要就是為了首度採
: 用GAA架構的2奈米製程,助其有充裕時間進行部署,由於2奈米以下技術難度與良率目前
: 難以掌握,因此提供3奈米充裕產能及2.5奈米製程等保險方案供客戶選擇。
: 供應鏈預估,由於從晶片設計到最後生產的費用再飆新高,2.5奈米首發客戶仍會是最大
: 客戶蘋果。
: 另值得注意的是,隸屬於5奈米家族的4奈米,先前預計2021年第4季試產,2022年量產,
: 傳出進度提前,蘋果2021年下半新機將率先採用,除了蘋果外,4奈米製程客戶還有
: NVIDIA、英特爾(Intel)等。
: 3.心得/評論:
: 半導體業者表示,台積電循序漸進的成長,三星慌亂無章想彎道超車。
--
除了獲利不斷創新高外,也帶動台股上漲,但以我科技業待超過15的經驗來說
晶圓代工的技術成份其實沒有想像中那麼高,晶圓代工新製程的開發流程就是:
IC廠設計x奈米製程(Step1) -> 晶圓代工找設備商開製程規格(Step2)
-> 找生產過程中的bug(Step3)-> 確定新製程可投產後再來提升良率(Step4)
其中,比較花費時間的是在Step3 & Step4, 但就真的只是花時間,
因為在這2個過程中,你必須要不斷的嘗試不同的驗證組合來取得一個最佳值
比如說:
投片良率只有70%? 那就開始試驗把蝕刻的速度從原先的100%,每次遞減1%
去找到一個最佳結果,講白一點,就是需要人力跟時間不斷的repeat這些參數
驗證罷了,要真說到技術成份,真正的技術還是掌握在設備商手裡
台積電就只是個有錢且擁有高勞力密集,可以加快上述這類不需要太多的技術
能力僅需要大量的時間跟人力的公司罷了,真的不要被什麼護國神山捧到忘我
台灣真正需要經驗跟技術的科技產業,反而是在系統廠,系統廠雖然獲利能力
不如晶圓代工,但那是因為多廠競爭的結果,以技術能力來說,系統廠所需學會
的技術能力是遠遠超過於晶圓代工的,同樣的一個RD工程師來說:
晶圓代工廠RD: 通常只需研究某段製程甚至某台設備的參數就可以了,然後研究的
內容就是上述所提的那些不太需要技術能力的重覆驗證
系統廠RD:以一個NB系統廠的RD來說,他需要K所有會用到IC的spec, 要懂layout
還要了解AC/DC,甚至連BIOS相容性也要會一些,然後要有辦法把這些東西結合
在一台NB裡,並保證運行完全正常,所需學會甚至鑽研的技術可以說是包山包海
而上述每一項技能都是難學難精的,並不是單純調參數去找最佳結果那樣簡單的工作
所以台灣其實真正要顧好的技術產業應該是在系統廠,只要系統廠強,就能確保技術
人才不斷,對於台灣整體的科技業來說才能細水長流且持續保有競爭力
若台灣人又犯了目光淺短,只因為台積電目前市佔跟獲利領先,就把所有技術人才跟資源
重心都往台積電放的話,那麼台灣的未來會非常危險
以上分享
※ 引述《NaMgAl (那美女)》之銘言:
: 1.原文連結:
: https://reurl.cc/q8Ra5g
: 2.原文內容:
: 台積電為2奈米GAA加裝雙保險 新增2.5奈米製程
: 三星電子(Samsung Electronics)信心滿滿,2022年將進入首度採用GAA架構的3奈米世代
: ,屆時將力奪先進製程技術龍頭,然據半導體設備業者透露,台積電大客戶訂單在握,未
: 來將不急不徐掌握5奈米以下製程推進節律。
: 據了解,為了替首度採用GAA架構的2奈米爭取更多時間部署,台積電計劃拉升3奈米製程
: 產能目標並拉長停留時程,同時延續5/7奈米家族設計,暫定會在2023年推出2.5奈米(或
: 稱3+)製程,首發客戶仍會是最大客戶蘋果。
: 台積電繼力奪7奈米與7奈米EUV製程技術首勝後,與三星的對決現已來到5奈米,台積電於
: 2020年第2季量產,而三星則是近期才發表首款5奈米Exynos 1080處理器,已獲中國Vivo
: 採用,自家與高通5奈米旗艦處理器則年底登場。
: 雖然晚了半年,三星信心依舊爆棚,不僅對外宣告4奈米計畫未取消,目前已完成4奈米第
: 一代的行動產品設計,還有2022年將進入3奈米世代,屆時將超車台積電,力奪先進製程
: 技術龍頭。
: 對此,半導體設備業者表示,三星製程技術推進顯得有些倉促慌亂,7奈米EUV製程悄無聲
: 息就帶過,近月來最熱消息雖是拿下NVIDIA最新RTX 30系列大單,但僅採8奈米製程,且
: 上市迄今供貨短缺,市場多揣測與良率有關。
: 而即將全面放量的三星5奈米製程之所以能獲大客戶高通(Qualcomm)青睞,市場也認為主
: 要是價格夠犀利,以及雙方在手機上有所策略合作。
: 當中值得關注的是,5奈米投資金額龐大,三星至少也要多找幾個大客戶與大單,2、3年
: 才能勉強回本,但除了高通,還看不到訂單量夠大的晶片大廠下單。相較之下,台積電除
: 了囊括蘋果等大部分晶片大廠訂單外,近年積極投入自研晶片的大廠如Tesla、Google等
: 也都轉與台積電合作。
: 不僅如此,三星5奈米投資黑洞都還沒關上,又宣布首度採用GAA架構的3奈米將於2022年
: 正式量產,且期間還會有原本盛傳已腰斬的4奈米製程將上陣,整體製程推進藍圖令業界
: 難以理解。
: 對比之下,半導體設備業者表示,台積電先進製程推進或是近年全面擴產決定,多已確認
: 大客戶訂單與回收期估算,7奈米世代雖然投資金額高昂,但台積電幾乎拿下所有晶片廠
: 大單,因此推升業績飆上新高。2020年進入5奈米世代,當然至少要確定訂單能見度直達
: 2021年底。
: 目前南科Fab 18廠第四期至第六期3奈米產線已動工,預計2021年進入風險性試產,2021
: 年下半單月約有3萬~3.5萬片出貨量,2022年第2季量產後,全年如台積電所公布當年產能
: 預估將超過每年60萬片12吋晶圓,也就是單月約5.5萬片。
: 半導體設備業者進一步透露。台積電3奈米在單月產能2023年衝上10.5萬片,技術難度、
: 生產成本更高,客戶投片費用再飆升,但產能目標與5奈米相近。此外,台積電已計劃延
: 續5/7奈米家族設計,暫定會在2023年下半推出2.5奈米(或稱3+)製程,單月產能初步規劃
: 會有4萬~4.2萬片。
: 台積電擴大3奈米產能,拉長製程停留時間,且再增推2.5奈米製程,主要就是為了首度採
: 用GAA架構的2奈米製程,助其有充裕時間進行部署,由於2奈米以下技術難度與良率目前
: 難以掌握,因此提供3奈米充裕產能及2.5奈米製程等保險方案供客戶選擇。
: 供應鏈預估,由於從晶片設計到最後生產的費用再飆新高,2.5奈米首發客戶仍會是最大
: 客戶蘋果。
: 另值得注意的是,隸屬於5奈米家族的4奈米,先前預計2021年第4季試產,2022年量產,
: 傳出進度提前,蘋果2021年下半新機將率先採用,除了蘋果外,4奈米製程客戶還有
: NVIDIA、英特爾(Intel)等。
: 3.心得/評論:
: 半導體業者表示,台積電循序漸進的成長,三星慌亂無章想彎道超車。
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